Compass Metal Detectors are an American Legend

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	The patents would have expired on the detector. In fact, so has the trademark for the detectors! It's true that the schematics may not be released, but there is little that they (or anyone) can do to stop someone from tracing out the schematic. In addition, people are reporting less than reliable repairs made by the one guy who does have the schematics in his possession (i.e. possibly due to a lack of access to some parts)!

You'd better check on the patent laws, mate. They don't expire as you believe they do.

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	For the U.S. I know them well, as it's a constitutionally defined purpose i.e. limited exclusivity in exchange for promotion of the arts. You are not allowed to view links. Please Register or Login Twenty years and they're dead. Then anybody can take them and roll them into something else new. Perhaps your country is different, however most have adopted the WTO length of term. However, U.S constitution trumps any treaty, for laws applicable within the U.S. Or perhaps you are thinking of copyrights, which seemingly never expire, because of an unfortunate bastardization of the law and our corrupt political process (which in the end could taint patents eventually even).

I'm American and hold more then 40 US patents. My kid brother is my patent attorney. You're incorrect.

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Generic drugs are licensed. You really need to understand how a patent works, mate.

I also never said that they don't expire but you are quite wrong on when they do and under what circumstances.

Not only that but patents are pretty much useless since they are all abstracted and not actual schematics. Look in the Downloads area here. I've posted a few patents here and I always warn people that they are not detailed enough to use as a schematic but in most cases will allow you lots of food for thought.

As to thinking . . . Oh, never mind.

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	No. From the You are not allowed to view links. Please Register or Login Wikipedia article ; "A generic drug (generic drugs, short: generics) is a drug which is produced and distributed without patent protection." But hey, don't take my word for it, You are not allowed to view links. Please Register or Login here is the government website explaining patent terms . While many patents do not contain schematics, schematics most certainly can be derived from a patent (though it might not be the exact one the patent holder created) by those skilled in the art. They may also be derived from machines that have been made and sold (as we already know). A schematic is not a patent, and it offers no I.P. protection whatsoever outside of a patent. GoldDigger1950, I have patiently supplied links and exposition supporting all my original statements. You have done neither. I would appreciate it if you would offer me the same consideration other than spouting that I need to know how a patent works. Otherwise you are wasting perfectly good electrons while needlessly warming the mother earth. I seriously wonder if you even have bothered to click on any of the links I have provided.

Believe what you want. If you take a Wiki entry as a fact, then shame on you. Go out and dig in the dirt for a while.

Generic medicines MUST use the formula from the original medicine to be allowed. End of story. There is no formula in a patent. Only an abstract. The generic manufacturers license the formula from the original creators. That's how it works. A product is generally released to the generic licensing process after development costs have been recovered. Imagine that it takes $300 million to develop a drug. The money is recovered and a profit made for the shareholders. At some point, a decision to release the formula to the generic manufacturers is made and a license is granted for a fee. That's how it works.

As to the Fisher patents, why not show me one where there's a schematic? Why? Because you can't so this argument of yours is moot. As to patents, you are clueless but thanks to Wiki, very bold. Patent abstracts are just that. Abstract. No help for the technician on repairing a Fisher. You're better off just poking around with a blunt screwdriver.

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You're still incorrect making incorrect assumptions from web sites. You'll learn one day, Grasshopper.

Like most people who use the web for their only source of legal information, you can't look deeply enough. For example, generic drugs CAN be licensed but that's not the ONLY way they are produced. When licensed, the FDA approval gets easy or non-existent. Patents CAN be renewed and most often ARE renewed. Some are allowed to lapse to save money since newer models often make older patents obsolete. But then, you can't see all that from the sites and cites you made here.

Real world experience with 40 US patents, a few more UK patents and some Australian patents make me a real world user and owner. Much more valuable than a two dimensional web site with only partial information available. Other laws are always being passed and added so a patent lawyer is a valuable asset.

An example of a web site being a bad resource is this tale. A regular here mentioned something about customs in Australia implementing a tariff on metal detectors imported here. Well, I went to the Australian Customs site and found nothing. Not a word. Not a whisper. I was convinced he was making it up. But then I called a dealer who imports them direct from manufacturers worldwide and found out he was paying dearly for the privilege of importing metal detectors. There is a tariff and he pointed me to the legislation. Apparently, heavy lobbying by an Australian manufacturer drove that into law as an obscure addition to another law. Very sneaky but it means that prices here are higher than the rest of the world. Sad, that. The lesson is that web sites are good starting points but are not now nor have they ever been the final word on anything. Thus, you may cite all the web pages you wish and I will continue to ignore them unless I know them to be factual from real world experiences. If you choose to believe them as Gospel, that's your choice, my friend.

My patents will be renewed as often as the law allows. I like it that way. So does my bank account.

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