I see copper just as precious as gold and silver?

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 09:26:22 pm »

What about other metals like aluminum? Pound for pound Al is worth more than copper and its easy to find.

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 05:03:58 am »

Hello Salvor6

Can't say I know the aluminum industry too well. However I have been told aluminum smelting is very costly because of the high use of electricity.A lot of electric arc furnaces. Most smelters are located in areas with access to cheap electricity to make them profitable.

Bauxite is in easy abundance in northern Australia, at Weipa in Cape York and across the gulf of Carpentaria at Nulunbuy Arnhen land among others.

One of the problems in that industry is the over supply of bauxite. The cost is the smelting process. In Australia we are at risk of losing another valuable industry due the present governments pandering to the green vote.

They want to slap an emission trading program at all costs with out understanding the ramifications to that industry. the joke is third world countries, china and India can pollute all they want with no restrictions and yet Australia and the USA are expected to slab a large carbon tax that will eventfully take much needed jobs off shore to where company's can operate free of emissions restrictions and lower wages.

End result is another few thousand workers without a future all by the stoke of a pen by a faceless bureaucrat who will never know poverty. Angry

Or know how to get off ones backside and do a real days work! Wink

I once worked for a company that gave me access to many different mining operations, heavy industries such cement, mine processing and smelting etc in third world countries. I can tell you horrendous stories of zero pollution control, zero safety and working conditions and pay that would not be out of place in Charles Dickens time.

And idiots in our respect governments think that is progress and going to save the planet?

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 07:58:53 am »

Hardluck you are right about the electricity. Here in the US the Tennessee Valley Authority built a hydroelectric dam on the Tennessee River to produce cheap electricity for Alcoa Aluminum company. In return, Alcoa built a whole city around their plant and they employ thousands of people.

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 11:27:49 pm »

hi

interesting insight, thanks for sharing.

hardluck - have you researched the first ever copper mine in Australia, the pioneers of copper mining?

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 02:39:34 am »

Hello csharp

I am not sure where and when the first copper mine was established. If I was to guess, I'd say there was some Copper mining activity in South Australia by Cornish miners in the early to mid 19th century. Possibly earlier mining activity in Tasmania?

But like I said its only guess.

I would be interested in know which region was mined first?

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 04:01:08 pm »

Hi

Hardluck

It has been awhile since i replied to this topic.

Hope this answers some of your questions!!

copper mine in S.A

Use my surname in your search.

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #16 on: May 03, 2010, 05:10:23 pm »

I know this thread is a tad aged, but I just wanted to interject a little bit on the value of copper. If you've ever lived in an area where copper was processed, you'll see an environmental disaster. I'm not much of an environmentalist per se, but copper smelting was and probably still is one of the most damaging environmental hazards ever. One of the by-products of copper smelting is sulfer dioxide, SO2. When it's released into the atmosphere, this then bonds with O2, oxygen, forming H2SO4, sulfuric acid, and gets trapped in the moisture in the air. As this moisture accumulates into clouds, it eventually dumps what we know as "acid rain" onto the surrounding landscape.

If you've ever been to the "Copper Basin" in Tennessee, historically one of the largest mining and smelting areas of copper in the world you'd understand the devestation that copper production creates. It used to be a moonscape until the state of Tennesse started a program to introduce non-native plants that could live in the highly acidic soil. If you get off the main roads it's still a moonscape. They've just cultivated crazy looking plants from asia along the main roads, stuff that looks like kudzu and other weeds to give the sense of peace and greenery.

There are no fish in the rivers because the high acid content in the water killed them all. When I first started paddling the Ocoee River back in the 70's, I was having constant ear problems, which was eventually diagnosed as erosion of my eardrums due to exposure to the highly acidic water in the river. The Copper Basin was one of the only man made things that the Mercury astraunauts were able to detect visually from orbit. It was a natural disaster far beyond anything else we've ever seen.

Copper may be a valuable metal, but it's certainly a very expensive metal in more than one way.

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #17 on: May 03, 2010, 05:48:31 pm »

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I know this thread is a tad aged, but I just wanted to interject a little bit on the value of copper. If you've ever lived in an area where copper was processed, you'll see an environmental disaster. I'm not much of an environmentalist per se, but copper smelting was and probably still is one of the most damaging environmental hazards ever. One of the by-products of copper smelting is sulfer dioxide, SO2. When it's released into the atmosphere, this then bonds with O2, oxygen, forming H2SO4, sulfuric acid, and gets trapped in the moisture in the air. As this moisture accumulates into clouds, it eventually dumps what we know as "acid rain" onto the surrounding landscape. If you've ever been to the "Copper Basin" in Tennessee, historically one of the largest mining and smelting areas of copper in the world you'd understand the devestation that copper production creates. It used to be a moonscape until the state of Tennesse started a program to introduce non-native plants that could live in the highly acidic soil. If you get off the main roads it's still a moonscape. They've just cultivated crazy looking plants from asia along the main roads, stuff that looks like kudzu and other weeds to give the sense of peace and greenery. There are no fish in the rivers because the high acid content in the water killed them all. When I first started paddling the Ocoee River back in the 70's, I was having constant ear problems, which was eventually diagnosed as erosion of my eardrums due to exposure to the highly acidic water in the river. The Copper Basin was one of the only man made things that the Mercury astraunauts were able to detect visually from orbit. It was a natural disaster far beyond anything else we've ever seen. Copper may be a valuable metal, but it's certainly a very expensive metal in more than one way.

Go with out it!

Don't use electricity!

Cell Phones.

Use a camp Fire to heat your home. Al Gore will Tax you!

Use Evaporative cooling to cool your home.

Just like any mining operation, there is a cost.

Like Mercury, all is not lost. They tell us how Evil the stuff is and yet force you to purchase Fluorescent lights that go into the dumps by the millions containing Mercury!

If you bust one in your house, you have a Disaster. All your kids will develop a third Eye, Brain cancer, Become Retarded.

It comes from the Earth and it will go back into the Earth.

The acid is not Man Made, it's a product of the Earth made by exposing the copper to air.

Mother Earth Made It, She can Handel it!

Plastic is another story!

Cry

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #18 on: May 03, 2010, 06:04:14 pm »

I won't argue that point with you. Mother nature can take it. My eardrums couldn't, and obviously all of the native vegitation couldn't take it either. The point of this thread was the value of copper, and my position was the value of copper.

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	Re: I see copper just as precious as gold and silver? « Reply #19 on: May 03, 2010, 06:20:06 pm »

Being a broke as I am, I scrounge ever scrap of copper I can.

I get almost $3.00 a lb and most happy about it.

Yep! Copper is the Poor mans Gold! Great

If I could just find a way to get the windings out of the 100 cooler motors I have I could cash in! Angry

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