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Hi , you take your chances as you are not a club member , we have been notified  today that FINESTRAAT council will not tolerate m/d on any of their beaches or in the water ..!!!

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Excellent Heads Up Sir.  Thank You.

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The goal posts have moved once more [ mind you it is Spain ] ...!!!!!!!

This happened this morning with the southern section of the club ...!!


Today, we were just finishing our morning metal detecting meeting in Los Alcazeras when one police local police car and a Guardia civil police car pulled up and asked to stop detecting.


They informed me that there has now been a decision to stop all metal detecting on the beaches in the region.

They took photos of our ID but they were friendly towards us.

They informed me that there is a €300 fine if you are caught metal detecting on their beaches.


Their explanation to us was that the beaches are now overrun with detectorists and the beaches are also a protected area due to historic finds have been made, and they don't want people detecting in the coastal area.


I explained that we are a registered club and also that we do have have valencian permits for that area and we are bonafide professional detectorists and all or scrutinised members are not looters.

He agreed and praised that we observe the law but suggested that everybody else such as the tourists and others that are metal detecting just don't bother with getting any paperwork or seek out permissions.

So, until further notice the ADAPT metal club is not to metal detect on the Murcian beaches until we can sort some sort of written permission out in the form of a permit.


I told the police officer that we will go to the town hall and ask for a permit to detect, but he said that only permissions will normally be given to proven archaeologists from a higher level, but we can try 

They took photos of our IDs and said no more detecting.. please.

I showed the police a letter that I have from the Guardia informing that there is no law to stop detecting on the Murcia beaches but the officer pointed out that it is down to the individual automino town hall to decide on whether detecting is banned on their beaches (True), and the decision was made now not to sanction metal detecting.

Obviously, i am not going to leave it there and will look for some way of getting us permission and there will be then no argument from the police.

It looks like the same scenario that happened in the Valencia region which made us get those permits.


Long term, i agree that there should be a permit system in Murcia which will bring it in line with Andalusia and Valencia.


My predictions were right. because Andalucia and Valencia needs us to have permits ,the  chancer detectorist that cant be bothered to apply for those permits in those areas, have infiltrated into Murcia where there was no sanctions given to our hobby and more than likely, that they don't work to a code of conduct, usually our eastern European cousins and the  Russians !!!

Lets just wait until we can find a solution to this situation.....hopefully soon !!!


So  don't chance your arm in this region and if you want to detect in the Valencian area GET A LICENSE .........!!!!!!

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Well things have changed once more ..

The Vallencian region has now decided to split the beaches into 3 seperate  areas in another beuracratic screwup , i now come under Alicante area and must apply individually  online with an electronic signature a copy  is shown below .

3 of our club members have tried to fill this form out  unfortunately  it seems that it is impossible , they have spoken to the administrators and they are unable to make head nor tale of the form either ..and they are Spanish ..!!!

Another attempt is being made tomorrow  to sort it out  ..!!!





Application for authorization for the use of the metal detector in the area of the beaches of the province of Alicante

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The use of metal detectors or other similar tools or techniques to locate remains of an
archaeological or paleontological nature on the beaches of the Valencian Community, even if this is not its purpose, must be authorized by the competent ministry in terms of culture.
Applicants for this authorisation shall set out the objectives of their activity which may be their access to metal detection in order to locate lost
objects. The territorial scope of the application shall be limited to the coastal beaches of the Valencian Community. This activity is considered common according to the Demarcation of Costas.

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APPLICATION FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE USE OF THE METAL DETECTOR IN THE AREA OF THE BEACHES OF THE PROVINCE OF ALICANTE

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