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I agree. The image of Cornelius standing around peeing with big guys is hilarious.

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« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2009, 02:23:33 pm »
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Robert Marx and some pewter ( tin is it as called in any other language )plates . They have been in the ocean for a very very very long time and still are like new . Something that GoldDigger holds for impossible . Looks like he has a lesson comming dont you think ?   Cornelius

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« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2009, 02:55:54 pm »
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Goldigger 1950, your argument may lack credibility. Help us out here to understand the true facts behind your argument. What 300, or 400 year old shipwrecks have you conducted underwater salvage operations on? Thanks!  Dell

Zinc, is the metal used on modern vessels as a sacrificial metal to help control electrolysis.

 

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« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2009, 05:28:03 pm »
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Cornelius wrote:

"Robert Marx and some pewter ( tin is it as called in any other language )plates . They have been in the ocean for a very very very long time and still are like new"

Good point, but if the plates were fakes they would look like new !!! so GoldDigger could still be right !!!

More seriously the only way to end this "off message" Peeing contest is for someone to tell us where in the "Galvanic Scale" both Tin and Pewter is.

Pewter does last better than Tin underwater why I don?t know, but I also don?t know how a little additive to Steel makes it into Stainless Steel.

Tin Anodes may have been used occasionally somewhere but it is rare.

We should all be fighting UNESCO and the others that are stopping our legal right to look for and recover lost Treasure, rather than fighting each other on the internet.

Marx like "most" Treasure Hunters has probably told a few porkies for various reasons over the years, and may well have sold knowingly or unknowingly some items with doubtful provenance, but hell the guy has genuinely done more than most of us all put together, and over the years has helped and inspired hundreds of guys get into the wonderful world of Treasure Hunting underwater.

The Industry is full of characters of all sorts both good and bad, and by its very nature is full of intrigue and conspiracy, financial problems by the bucket full, crooks, villains and chancers, and anybody who has stuck it out for all the years like he has would have to be a Saint if he had done all this without upsetting or crossing swords with someone somewhere.

Like someone has previously said he has stopped selling anything he does not know for sure is genuine so I feel its time to give the guy a break.


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« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2009, 05:28:22 pm »
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Those pewter plates in the picture, Marx just made them!

VOC, stainless steel has no steel in it. It is made of nickel and chrome.

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« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2009, 05:44:14 pm »
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"VOC, stainless steel has no steel in it. It is made of nickel and chrome".




Thanks, just goes to prove I know jack shit about metals Grin

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Robert Marx and some pewter ( tin is it as called in any other language )plates . They have been in the ocean for a very very very long time and still are like new . Something that GoldDigger holds for impossible . Looks like he has a lesson comming dont you think ?   Cornelius


That will never happen at your hand, Cornelius. Tin is not pewter but pewter contains tin. It's the alloy that makes it work. The photo of Marx says he is holding a tin coin. End of story. With that glaring error, the entire article is suspect.

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This thread has turned into "A Pissin' Contest".


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Thanks, just goes to prove I know jack shit about metals Grin


Actually, you are not wrong at all. Steel is the main component of stainless steel. It contains chromium, nickel or other additives giving it a variable hardness, resistance to corrosion and magnetic component.

Pewter sitting on the shelf in a shop tarnishes rapidly. In the sea, it does so with vigor. At the 100 year point, it's mostly gone. Those are the facts not the myths these so called "big boys" are putting forth. But they've already proven that they'd rather be considered "right" than get close to any real facts.

Another salient point you made is about the truthfulness of treasure hunters in general. I believe that most of us are honest and truthful at the same time being secretive. With good reason. Guys who reveal all find themselves being in a race to their treasure rather than looking over their area alone. That's the facts. If any of these so called "big boys" deny this, begin laughing now because they'd be lying.

Being secretive or misleading will protect your treasure until you find it and recover it. Marx has made his living that way and the truth of all this is a bit of envy on the part of his detractors. Tarnish the man, and you win - that seems to be the mantra of his detractors here. The truth is that Marx has a bank full of income from both his finds and his most useful writings. So far, even the most damning comments here die on the vine for lack of a single fact, not guess, that confirms the accusations. Read them carefully. There's a lot of hollering going on with no tangible facts.

You have the original poster saying he is an expert who somehow got fooled into buying 100 items that were fakes. An expert does that? In what universe? When challenged to provide any proof that even one of them actually came from Marx, he ignores that and screams another accusation. And the rest of them? Well, they attack the man, not the message, when it comes from me. Look at them referring to me as not having knowledge that they have. Oh, dear. If only they knew. They have no clue of my credentials and wouldn't even know what they meant if I provided them. Yet you have an alleged expert and self proclaimed "big boy" slinging insults at me while the rest laugh. Good on 'em, I say. Laughter is good for the heart. Let them laugh. Among them all, they don't hold a candle to your reply.

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Goldigger 1950, your argument may lack credibility. Help us out here to understand the true facts behind your argument. What 300, or 400 year old shipwrecks have you conducted underwater salvage operations on? Thanks!  Dell

Zinc, is the metal used on modern vessels as a sacrificial metal to help control electrolysis.


Indeed, zinc is used but so is tin. Unalloyed tin is around 80% longer lasting and does just as good a job.

As to shipwrecks I have explored, I have been along the Florida coast with those now referred to by the self proclaimed experts here as "big boys." Here in Western Australia am associated with men whose names these forum members are not even worthy of reading.

Now if only I could get one of those "big boys" here to stop deleting my posts, we'd all be much happier for the facts being presented. Seems that the anger inside these guys is making them push buttons to which they ought not have access.

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