Robert Marx "artifacts"

As an example of using literary conscripts to indicate a suggestion in the mind of the reader, look to Eric Von Daniken and his Chariots of The Gods book or others in the series. There he never once says that the marks on the ground WERE created by aliens but that they might be. He also uses the open ended question to plant in the minds of the readers the suggestion that he stated a fact. For example, "Could they be the messages from space that we have been searching for?" Readers often say things like, "See? Those marks are made by aliens. Von Daniken said so in his book." Marx does the same thing in his own writing. When others write ABOUT him later from his sources, they don't quote him. Instead, they take what he has written and use their own assumptions to misquote him. It may not even be intentional. It's a trick of the English language that allows writers to implant suggestion rather than fact into the minds of their readers.

He clearly is quoted as saying, "We have found the Flor de Mar or at least the reef where struck." The word "or" modifies the entire statement into the realm of a possibility rather than an unequivocal statement of fact. Until you actually find the keel and some other identifying pieces of the actual wreck, to say anything else is very reckless and Robert Marx knows this. He has authored enough books to know how to implant suggestion which in turn sparks interest in his work. He's no fool and clearly not lying. His words allow the reader to mislead himself, if they so choose. Other readers, like myself, can see the tools used to create an image in the mind of the readers and we filter them out.

Rather than make this a continuation of the attacks against Robert Marx, why not look at this as a lesson in linguistics and the power of suggestion? We all do it to some degree. When asked about how your detecting went, do you tell the questioner about the pull tabs, bottle tops and iron junk? Most likely only in a peripheral way. You tell them about the goodies. That may spark an interest in detecting in that person. Look at this board and see how many people discuss all the junk they find. That's because we are among friends here. I would hope that a healthy analysis of the writing would be of great interest to everyone here but this gets turned into a "I hate Marx - I love Marx" debate instead.

Words are powerful things. I met the legendary "Buzzard" once who founded the GPAA. He passed away probably 15 years ago but he told me something that I will never forget. He told me that the greatest tool for finding treasure was to develop a mind that could solve logic puzzles. Why? Because anyone who does write about their own treasure will embed clues in that writing that the mind of a logic puzzle solver will see immediately. Also, you can apply that logic to an old house or site to determine the most likely place for treasure to be hidden.

Read those articles about Marx with an eye towards how he use literary conscripts to influence your own thoughts. Nowhere does he claim singularly that he has definitely found the Flor de Mar. He suggest in every case that he MAY have found it. That gets potential investors rubbing their hands together and reaching for their wallets.

I have made a study of the works of Bander and Grindler. Their book, Frogs Into Princes, lays the groundwork for the study of Neuro Lignuistics Programming or NLP which is what Marx uses to influence the reader.

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Cornelius,
I don't need an apology from Goldigger. He's obviously been hypnotized by a legend! LOL.
Goldigger, you are talking semantics. The bottom line is "It's a Con Game!" Marx is well known among the treasure hunting community. Some like him, some don't. Twisting words doesn't make it forgivable, it's still formulating a lie   to screw people out of their hard earned money.
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Nice reply , but I don't give a sh.. about what you think  might be the thougths about what Marx was thinking at the time .   He just lied about the whole  Flor do Mar  episode . You backed him . More power to you , but where did you get your information ?  From Marx , or what you have been reading about him ?  You better stop this way of insulting known treasue divers and salvagors . See , we don't blame Marx to make some money in any way possible . Next to social security he may not have a great income . But... it is guys like you that stir up trouble , not only for us  but also for good old Marx  .  Cornelius

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P.T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute!" A close friend of mine told me "There's an ass for every seat!" Truth be known, I agree with them. However, I don't agree with lying to entice suckers into a deal. Marx doesn't seem to agree with me!
Also, you Goldigger, despite all your arguments, seem like a reasonable person who simply thrives on controversy. It's probably time to let this one go...
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Golddigger,

I never said I bought 100 items from Marx. That was the guy who started this topic. I never bought anything from Marx and never would. And that guy never said he bought 100 items from Marx. He was simply stating that he has bought 100 items (some from Marx and many from other sellers). He was simply stating that fact to point out that he's a serious antique collector and that's it.

I was never a former employee of Marx. He didn't hire me. I was working for Southeast Asia Salvage. Our boss (Tjetty) hired Marx as a consultant only. Marx was not paying me and had no say-so over me or whatever I did for the company.

If Marx is saying we MAY have found the Flor then why the heck is he going around selling artifacts that he's claiming came from the Flor? It's really silly and you and him are experts at playing with words and tricking people. See both of you in jail some day for fraud. Speaking of which - I heard from a reliable source that the FBI is investigating Marx at this time for fraud because of so many complaints from people who have bought fake items from him (this includes both Japanese and American antique buyers).

TW

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