Robert Marx "artifacts"

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		Quote:			Posted by TonyWells
	Treasure Quest (Sept.-Oct. 1998) article written by Marx once again claiming we found the Flor and recovered all kinds of gold figurines, rings and other gold items including a gold buddha non-the-less. More fairy tales by this guy. Since this is five pages long I have to break up to five post so please bare with me gentlemen. Here in page 69. TW

The article says, "We found the Flor de Mar, or at least the reef where she struck." Nothing wrong with that. Very true. He found artifacts. Also true. You were there, right? It wouldn't be the first time someone found an artifact and associated it with the wrong wreck. Yet somehow you manage to associate that with evil intent. What's wrong with you, mate? You really have a serious case of envy here.

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		Quote:			Posted by GoldDigger1950
	The article says he THINKS he found it. Good grief, man. Calm down. Until I actually dug it up, I thought I had a gold Sovereign yesterday. Turned out I was wrong. It was a pull tab. The truth is that he was probably looking for financial backing so he used the best literary tools at his disposal to attract investors. Read the article carefully again but this time take off your dark tinted glasses. Those articles are 18 years old. You surely do hang on to judgments. So far, even though you have tried desperately to do so, you have failed to "prove" anything other than Robert Marx' ability to instill a sense of mystery into his readers.

Hell Ray,

unfortunately I have to disagree with you. Pickung up your point scenarios of Marx looking for investors, his behaviour is unethical at best. I would call it fraudulent. How can one justify to lure people into an investment making a claim and then confessing at a later point of time: Well, guys I was honest saying I discovered a wreck. However you've just spent your money a totally different wreck than claimed earlier though.

I don't want to get silly over this but if you buy a red Ferrari and receive a red Fiat Panda in exchange for your money and the seller is argueing he just wanted to raise some interest by sayig it was a Ferrari... but both are cars are even made by the same big company ... than that is not what I'd be happy about it.

We are speaking about lost pardon I mean lots of money when it gets to treasure investements. Hence the person involved should be perfectly honest about their projetcs and ivestment opportunities.

This is not a trial against Marx nor do I think anyone here hates him but we just can't deny the fact that he made a false claim. No hard feelings but let's just face it.

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Christian

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As an example of using literary conscripts to indicate a suggestion in the mind of the reader, look to Eric Von Daniken and his Chariots of The Gods book or others in the series. There he never once says that the marks on the ground WERE created by aliens but that they might be. He also uses the open ended question to plant in the minds of the readers the suggestion that he stated a fact. For example, "Could they be the messages from space that we have been searching for?" Readers often say things like, "See? Those marks are made by aliens. Von Daniken said so in his book." Marx does the same thing in his own writing. When others write ABOUT him later from his sources, they don't quote him. Instead, they take what he has written and use their own assumptions to misquote him. It may not even be intentional. It's a trick of the English language that allows writers to implant suggestion rather than fact into the minds of their readers.

He clearly is quoted as saying, "We have found the Flor de Mar or at least the reef where struck." The word "or" modifies the entire statement into the realm of a possibility rather than an unequivocal statement of fact. Until you actually find the keel and some other identifying pieces of the actual wreck, to say anything else is very reckless and Robert Marx knows this. He has authored enough books to know how to implant suggestion which in turn sparks interest in his work. He's no fool and clearly not lying. His words allow the reader to mislead himself, if they so choose. Other readers, like myself, can see the tools used to create an image in the mind of the readers and we filter them out.

Rather than make this a continuation of the attacks against Robert Marx, why not look at this as a lesson in linguistics and the power of suggestion? We all do it to some degree. When asked about how your detecting went, do you tell the questioner about the pull tabs, bottle tops and iron junk? Most likely only in a peripheral way. You tell them about the goodies. That may spark an interest in detecting in that person. Look at this board and see how many people discuss all the junk they find. That's because we are among friends here. I would hope that a healthy analysis of the writing would be of great interest to everyone here but this gets turned into a "I hate Marx - I love Marx" debate instead.

Words are powerful things. I met the legendary "Buzzard" once who founded the GPAA. He passed away probably 15 years ago but he told me something that I will never forget. He told me that the greatest tool for finding treasure was to develop a mind that could solve logic puzzles. Why? Because anyone who does write about their own treasure will embed clues in that writing that the mind of a logic puzzle solver will see immediately. Also, you can apply that logic to an old house or site to determine the most likely place for treasure to be hidden.

Read those articles about Marx with an eye towards how he use literary conscripts to influence your own thoughts. Nowhere does he claim singularly that he has definitely found the Flor de Mar. He suggest in every case that he MAY have found it. That gets potential investors rubbing their hands together and reaching for their wallets.

I have made a study of the works of Bander and Grindler (among others). Their book, Frogs Into Princes, lays the groundwork for the study of Neuro-Linguistics Programming or NLP which is what Marx uses to influence the reader. Those in the business of writing for newspapers, magazines and particularly copy writing are adept at it or they would not sell a newspaper. Have you any idea how those captivating banners for headlines are written? They are not normally written by the author of an article. They are normally written by a specialist who can summarize and tantalize the reader into delving into the article.

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I don't think most of us think that way . You appologize to these people or you are out !   Cornelius

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