Rennes le Chateau - a new page

Indeed, a office specialist of expertise of old manuscripts, put on sale by auction on May 29th, 2009 in the room N?4 from DROUOT-RICHELIEU to PARIS, a very curious page.
Pricebe estimated between 4000 and 8000 Euros, it was sold to a particular unknown person for 12 000 Euro.
The name given to the page is Liber Tobi?.


The parchment is of an exceptional quality, emphasized by a magnificent drop cap. The illuminator, as indicates it the expertise, is unknown but of a very big talent.


 It is on the other hand indisputable that considering the seriousness of the experts and the house Drouot, the document and its comment are to be closely analyzed, because a link with the affair of Rennes is evident.

It is about a big parchment page of 38 cm  on 54 cms written in the ink first side and reverse, in Latin language. According to the experts who studied it, this handwritten page was recognized as bringing out monachal workshops of monks' scriptorium copyists of CHARTRES.

But the most interesting what is certainly what comes then. Because behind several pages of analysis, a summary built from a comment is proposed as a playful illustration of the parchment. The summary was elaborated by the expert who supposed useful to report in the catalog some handwritten notes found with the parchment. 

In fact, the manuscript of big format served for covering a file. His back was stuck on both external faces of the shirt. While wanting to get back the precious document of the cardboard remained stuck on its reverse. But the most amazing is that if the parchment was chosen in the sale Drouot as its beautiful historic aspect, certain handwritten notes as contained the file had no this fate. Fortunately for the passionate persons of Rennes, the expert, in any objectivity and really not knowing the impact of his notes, made a summary.

It is evident that the author of the handwritten notes, maybe a cleric, had to be in the sphere of influence of Rennes. A particularly suggestive vocabulary is used there. But especially it is very important to know the shape of these notes and their exact teneures because if there was analysis it is that the manuscript has a value in the enigma. On the other hand, the summary contains capital letters which according to the expert were perfectly postponed. Why if to be given the effort to put a whole series of words in capital letters? Are we in front of a new coded parchment notes of which would be an instructions for use?

See the description made in the catalog of sale " Roch de Coligny " (

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To be sure not to transform any existing information today, here is what says to us, Mr Roch de Coligny, expert with the office of expertise " Honor? Urf? ".


" The initial comment arises from 4 notes and the date of its elaboration could be situated by the beginning of the XXth century with a maximal margin of error of 25 years. The writing is readable and regular. There is no signature but account held by the used vocabulary we could attribute it to a cleric. The dating was realized according to the style of the writing. I also confirm that the parchment " Page of Liber Tobi? " and the comment are authentic. No furthermore it was never necessary question to associate with the sale the parchment and the comment.


" The words in capital letters of the summary result exactly from handwritten notes " " the words in italics Vulgate and Media Was in hiding were underlined in notes " " there is no coincidence between these elements. What would have been surprising, on the contrary, it would be not to find in the rest of the archives of Hautpoul, documents relative to their seigneuries of Rennes or Bugarach! We find for example also the copy made in 1782 by the solicitor Bernard Siau, the agreement of Bugarach there in 1307 and which was sent to the Marchioness de Hautpoul, seigneuresse of Bugarach " " I want to limit myself to my expert profession and I do not wish to take a stand with the affair of Rennes the Castle ". (Roch de Coligny)


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Hello goldigger,

Effectively the book which the parchment in served as cover was have to be thick, on the other hand the parchment does not seem to have suffered by the friction, it is not either dirtied and the text is very readable.
Concerning the description completes such as it was made for the sale, here is the link to download the catalog of the sale, with the long description of the expert.

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Here are some observations bound to the text of the parchment:

TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM: his treasure plundered by Romain, then Visigoths in Rome is one of hypotheses for the resolution of the enigma of Rennes-le-Ch?teau.

ITS ALLOWED FOR JEWS TO FOLLOW THEIR LAWS: send back towards the Tables of the Law and the Ark of the Covenant.

TEN TALENTS OF SILVER: symbolic, but essential saving in any good treasure hunt.

HANDWRITTEN DOCUMENT - SUB CYROGRAPHO: sends to us obviously on the track of the parchments which our Rennes le Ch?teau priests will have coded by using the Codex Bezae (copy hidden in the pillar Wisigoth).

CONSOLATION: a simple heavy word of symbolism inviting us to raise eyes towards the bottom of the church and the famous flowery mountain, the representation of the mountain Bugarach surmounting the distich: " you all come to me who suffer, who be overcome and I shall relieve you "

OF A MURDERED PERSON: doubtless a reference to the abbot G?lis and (or) to Dagobert II.

DEVIL ASMODEE: no need to specify that the devil, the guard of the treasure of Salomon&#039;s Temple, returns us to the font of the church.

YOU WILL AMASS A BIG TREASURY: what is supposed to have arrived in B. Sauni?re by following ancient certain treasure hunt which he will then have reshaped.

EX-BETHANIS: it is the villa that he made constructed meadows of the presbytery 

IT IS GOOD TO HIDE THE SECRET OF KING: which returns us to the lost Merovingian lineage, although the secret of king can be the other thing.

WILL DIE BY THE TWO-EDGED SWORD AND THE FIRE: indicate if it was again necessary to doubt it, the key to dead sword necessary  to decipher parchments found in the pillar " Punishment - P?nit EnSe ".


SACRAMENTA R?gis, REDDIS CHIROGRAPHUM, REDDAS CYROGRAFUM, IN ARCIS, IN SACCELLIS: behind this series of Latin expressions, the allusion to the paving stone of the grave of Marie de N?gre is evident - Reddis, Cellis, Arcis, Regis -.

RAGES or RHADES: the author of the comment implicitly wants to connect his text to Rennes-le-Ch?teau by sticking boorishly Rag?s to Rhedaes, one of the ancient names of the village of Rennes le Ch?teau.

Two other elements written in small letter, Cyon and the grilled fish, aim towards the analogy of Sion and the " foolish fisherman ". Now Cyon is not Sion because in Greek Cyon mean, dog. What comes to make " a Greek dog " in this history written in Latin? A Greek word falling just at the right moment to remember itself the Alpha and the Omega, both unique Greek letters of parchments coded of B. Sauni?re bound to the Codex Bezae. As for the only grilled fish. The development in capitals stands out on the original. The expert, methodically, made a faithful summary by copying out as before quotations underlined on four pages of the ancient comment.


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Luc

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I'm enjoying reading, too, Luc. Agree with goldigger, in that it goes over my head, but I still appreciate  all the information that you post. Hoping for a lightbulb to brighten in my noggin  Sue

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Thank you Goldigger, Sue and all the others,

It is true when it even this story of Rennes-le-ch?teau is vague and so very fascinating, then when a new discovery is announced in the media, a number of persons fascinated as me, it precipitates on this information by trying to understand the ins and outs, sometimes at the risk of complicating the final decoding. It is also very difficult for me to express in writing and in English, these things. There is always a doubt of the double sense when we make one translation, (my English was taught not to the school but during my professional movements, then effectively my language is basic).

I thank you for being read, and I am satisfied to interest you.

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Luc

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 Hello hardluck,

Always the same on this forum.... I joke.

Concerning your question:

RAGES or RHADES: the author of the comment implicitly wants to connect his text to Rennes-le-Ch?teau by sticking boorishly Rag?s to Rhedaes, one of the ancient names of the village of Rennes le Ch?teau.

Is Razes another name version of the two above mentioned names?



There are various names for differents places but which have all the same origin.

Concerning:-RAZES-or RAZ?S county of Raz?s, the ancient name Rhedesium, is mainly centred around Rhedae ( Rennes-Le-Ch?teau).

Could this Sion and Cyon and the foolish fisherman be a cryptic message referring to St Simon?


To my opinion and according to the searches that I made on internet, nothing confirms it.

Reminder:
This document "foolish fisherman", which would have been discovered in 1966, and which we often qualify as parchment, is in fact only a scrap of paper on which are scribbled some lines of B?renger Sauni?re's hand. We say that this short document would have been found among the personal effects of this last one, after its death. As for the most part of the elements which compose the affair of Rennes-Le-Ch?teau, person cannot say with certainty that it is good B?renger Sauni?re who composed this text, but the contents and the circumstances of its discovery lets it think.

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Luc

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