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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2014, 10:48:37 pm »
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Hi Golddustcarl

Been scratching around in the parts box looking for some bits but will have to hit the hobby shop.

With the 2 1n4148's have you experimented with fast recovery diodes to see if they work any better ?

Your kit idea sound interesting to, with that 220uF cap on the fet, I would be a bit inclined to make that a low esr type of cap about 4700uF .
Could you please tell me the number of the meter fet its a bit blurry when zoomed in, does it have to be a bulky fet for only 1 ma ? thanks.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2014, 12:16:19 am »
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I came across a nice  brilliant new  little piece of  info on auto ground bal . i will post but not- tonight (I'm going to bed ) its goes right along with your theme and you may be able to integrate the concept into  the receive end your unit . Cheers Johnny

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2014, 02:40:54 pm »
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Hi Golddustcarl

Thank you for sharing your very interesting and inventive approach to PI design.

Wish you all success with further improvement. Also interested in (semi)kit if you decided to offer something like that later.

You gave us schematic to try with it, but it is in low resolution and partially unreadable. Can you post it in higher resolution, please? Thank you!

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2014, 03:49:04 pm »
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I would be interested in seeing it. If you don't post it to this thread, let me know with a message where it is so I can find it.
I am not sure I will be needing auto ground balance, being the mini pi because it will be detecting pulse width and not amplitude. Kind of like the difference between AM and FM radio signals. However I don't also intend to build just PI circuits. I have some interesting ideas for later for some VLF/TR units. and some multi frequency units as well.
Thanks for sharing. Great

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Posted on: May 19, 2014, 03:12:22 pm
Sorry wm6 that last post was for jonny23.

If anyone like a full size schematic just send an e-mail to number3brother@hotmail.com with your return e-mail address and I will get it out to you. it is a jpg file.

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2014, 05:58:34 pm »
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I came across a nice  brilliant new  little piece of  info on auto ground bal .


That sounds interesting jonny23

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2014, 06:22:58 pm »
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Hi GolddustCarl  here is a pics of the best design ground balanced (yes I know it is not for a pi design lol) but it gets the creative juices flowing on how to do things more efficiently which is why I copied it. cheers johnny Wink

Posted on: May 19, 2014, 06:13:20 pm
when you look at the date this was published it is quite fascinating how we are getting some great new ideas on using  old circuitry much more effectively ! cheers Johnny

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2014, 02:25:30 am »
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Hi Johnny

You are quite right about going back to older designs and improving them with new technology just look at the radio how it has changed over the years. Thanks for posting the article,  I took the liberty of removing the double.


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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2014, 06:53:17 am »
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Johnny, thanks for posting article.

There are claims in article that I don't understand:

All Metal Detector circuits have been designed along the wrong lines. They have a fixed reference oscillator and detect the change in frequency of the scanning coil.

It is much more clever to adjust the reference oscillator on a constant basis and thereby produce silence when not detecting and when something is detected, the two oscillators will differ by a small amount.


What is difference between "fixed reference oscillator" and "reference oscillator on a constant basis"? Is not both the same thing?

What is here idea for GEB: "two high-low pulses within 3 seconds"?

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2014, 10:49:41 am »
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Hi wm6  
 I just posted the final circuit because it was the  result of going through all the possible  circuit configurations  and realizing the  best  possible input signal the circuit adjusts and balances itself relative  to the ground conditions rather than trying to stay balanced on  a fixed ref. freq. because of the way the  search coil is tapped in between the caps where I have highlighted in the schematic image. the frequency can stay "balanced"  due to Ground conditions charging and discharging the "tapped" caps, equally  then  when it hits an anomaly you get a very  discrete signal due to the inductive nature of the anomaly, that you are looking for. sorry I should have copied the entire article but  this was the relevant info to me  and this is the best description i can explain of the top of my head, cheers  Johnny     Wink

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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2014, 08:22:01 pm »
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Well I am glad to see you guys all trying out new things. I e-mailed full size schematics to a few of you, and if any one else wants one feel free to e-mail me. Still working on the new Mini PI. Building everything on a breadboard and testing one thing at a time. Writing and rewriting software and burning it to the pic takes time. I just want to make sure I get it right before I build it first time. No, I am not a perfectionist, but I want it to work extremely well so if someone else wants to build one, I can feel confident that it will work for them.
Keep up the good work. Great
By the way Johnny,  can I get a copy of that publication from somewhere? I would like to read the whole article. Sounds like the circuit they are talking about is a BFO with a micro! Smiley

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