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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2012, 07:18:00 am »
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Thank you  GD  --- and I'll leave the response from all members of the ruling -------- it seems -----I will stop myself from responding so apologize-------

I don't mean for you to stop, mate. Just stop telling people to modify a machine that doesn't work in an attempt to make it work. Verify substitutions when you suggest them. Twice now I have found frequency response errors in your recommended Op Amp replacements that would have made things worse, not better. I thank you for your contributions. Just be more careful with your advice.

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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2012, 12:08:41 am »
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Hi GD and Japanese,

Firstly thank you both for helping me trouble shoot my circuit.  Secondly I am so sorry for becoming a platform for this situation.


GD,

I have followed the schematic and found that the all BC546 Transistors were reversed,  I have replaced them and also BC557 with new ones.  But still the results are same.  May be I missed something very important somewhere..... in spite of several comparisons my poor mind is not able to figure it out.

Please advise if you could guess what i would have missed..

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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2012, 05:02:35 am »
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Firstly thank you both for helping me trouble shoot my circuit.  Secondly I am so sorry for becoming a platform for this situation.

The only opposition to advice given so far is that any recommendation to change a design is going to cause you trouble compounded. Until you get the design working as it should, modifying it will not help at all and the advice being given was to substitute parts rather than find the actual problem.

Now that you have checked and verified your project as far as the parts are concerned, it's time to break out the multimeter and do some tracing of the copper on your board. There is a possibility that two traces are shorted together by a hair sized amount of copper on one hand. On the other, there's a chance that a hairlike fracture in the traces could present an open circuit. The only way to check this is with a magnifying glass (or loupe if you have one) and a multimeter to check resistance and continuity. Verify all component connections to the board. In other words, look at the schematic and be sure that each black line connecting the components goes to all of the places that they should. Inspect VERY carefully and slowly. A tiny crack or short may be very hard to spot. Also, while you are at it, look for cold solder joints. A solder joint that is properly made has a volcano like shape. A ball of solder setting on a lead is a cold solder joint. One that looks like a shiny hill is proper.

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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2012, 06:47:07 am »
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Thanks for the reply GD... I will check as per the advice and get back to you....

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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2012, 02:16:55 am »
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Often, DIY projects cost more in time and effort than just buying one. The failure rate on completion by a non technician is very high. At the end of the day, a second hand Tesoro Compadre is only around $100.00 plus shipping. You can recover twice that in a day in areas like yours where metal detectors are rare and the population is large.

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« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2012, 05:18:03 am »
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Hi GD,

I do accept your advice....  But my intention is to build one on my own... and I am treating it like a hobby and I am not doing it for treasure hunting because it will not suit my profession and life style.

I have constructed Gary's Pulse 1 and 2 (Geotech Forum) they both are working fine.. and delta pulse is making me reach the peaks in learning.

Normally I work on my DIY projects on weekends but DP is the only machine which is pulling lot of time(even weekdays) out of me but never mind coz its a great learning with all the kind help from experts like you.

By the way I have checked all the tracks on the back of the PCB for shorts and breaks... I haven't find any..  Attaching the Images to this post thinking that they might give you a clue to help me..

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Make sure you verify the traces and tracks of copper against the schematic. Also, pop all of your ICs out and look at the legs. Check them for bent or broken legs. Do your resistance measurements against the schematic while the ICs are out of the circuit. Some are CMOS which could be damaged by the multimeter. In fact, as has been mentioned, those parts are already suspect simply because they are CMOS parts. CMOS chips (ICs) are sensitive to static electricity, stray voltages or reverse polarities. That diode might have killed one or more of them when it was backwards. Before you put them back in again, we will need to start a bit more troubleshooting. Have a little patience and we'll get you up and running. It's quite hard to do this when you are 8,000 miles away but we'll give it our best shot. We're done with the guessing games. It's down to hard facts now.

Would you attach the schematic here for the project as you built it? As you know, there is more than one version out there. I want to study the one you chose. Also, when you can do so, grab a small speaker from an old computer, radio, stereo or TV set which will help us in troubleshooting. Solder some soft wires to the speaker. Make the wires about 18 inches long and tin the ends of the wire. We'll be using that to verify a few things as we bring your board up section by section.

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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2012, 08:32:06 am »
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Interesting, I am following another thread were the fellow had all the BC546 Transistors reversed as well.

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Interesting, I am following another thread were the fellow had all the BC546 Transistors reversed as well.

A common mistake with the device. There are even some differences between manufacturers of the same part. Crazy.

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2012, 12:09:36 am »
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HI GD,

I have found another interesting thing in my circuit not sure if its common.  In the attached image the two highlighted resistors are 120K the one in green measures 120 with a multimeter when in circuit, and the other which is highlighted in red measures 10 times less i.e 12k and measures correctly(120k) when taken out of circuit.

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