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« Reply #100 on: December 18, 2016, 03:44:50 pm »
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     It lets the first Integrator do it's job subtracting the fist sample (Target + Ground Sgn)  and  bypasses the first Integrator leaving the BP Filter working.  Then feeding the First Sample  along with the Fist Integrated signal (Second Sample - First Sample) to the second integrator non inverted that would emphasis the first signal  (Target + Ground Sgn) again ..   I have NO Clue what that is about.  Boost the Target Signal ?

Something like this ?  Sample T2 - Sample T1 = Target Signal with Reduced Ground Signal + Sample T1 = Emphasis Target with Original Ground Signal.  Huh?


  

Posted on: December 18, 2016, 03:37:20 pm
  Measured Z and R of the Original Surf Coil.  220uH and 1.5R.  Guess the Barracuda wants 300 to 450uH.   Off to Twist a Coil I go.  LOL  

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« Reply #101 on: December 18, 2016, 06:03:52 pm »
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- what type mosfetS you use?




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« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2016, 06:30:49 pm »
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VT3 VT4 VT5 VT7 4 2N5485

Only Changes I made from BOM was I used a GPSA-13 in place of MPSA-13  Pin out 180 out.  

C1 called for 6800uF I only used 2200uf.

 Used 1% on ALL resister.

Everything else is as per BOM.

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« Reply #103 on: December 19, 2016, 11:27:57 am »
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    It lets the first Integrator do it's job subtracting the fist sample (Target + Ground Sgn)  and  bypasses the first Integrator leaving the BP Filter working.  Then feeding the First Sample  along with the Fist Integrated signal (Second Sample - First Sample) to the second integrator non inverted that would emphasis the first signal  (Target + Ground Sgn) again ..   I have NO Clue what that is about.  Boost the Target Signal ?

Something like this ?  Sample T2 - Sample T1 = Target Signal with Reduced Ground Signal + Sample T1 = Emphasis Target with Original Ground Signal.  Huh?


  

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  Measured Z and R of the Original Surf Coil.  220uH and 1.5R.  Guess the Barracuda wants 300 to 450uH.   Off to Twist a Coil I go.  LOL  


in my opinion any sample has ground signal + target signal, in begin of delta pulse target signal is larger than beyong.
feeling i am not theorist =)

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« Reply #104 on: December 19, 2016, 12:38:39 pm »
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   LOL Yea, not so clear on what the swich does my self.  Guess I'll find out.

Twisting up a Half Azz Basket coil.  

Messed up on the winding some but pressing on .  I should have overlapped every other row but ended up with sets of three windings over lapping.  Think it will work out good enough  to play with.

Shooting for 300uH.  Basket coils don't  produce the same inductance as a bunch winding for amount of wire used.  

Posted on: December 19, 2016, 12:35:16 pm
  Mudflap.   Your board ever show up ?

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« Reply #105 on: December 19, 2016, 03:30:38 pm »
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    Coil missed the mark.  Ran out of room on the form.  Next one I need to make the form wider and cut the slots deeper.

What you all think ? Try it anyways ?  Surf Coil is 220uH  1.5 Ohm.

Everything I read says it wants 300-500


280uH  1.6 Ohm
15 turns  (Need 20 or more)
6.5 "  center on windings
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« Reply #106 on: December 19, 2016, 03:37:15 pm »
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i guess you do mistake... you have to do 'transfer on second/another side' if full winding circle is ended. only run one sector inside of circle and go on second side. look on pic #2 attentionally what i mean

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 you have to have the pattern on pic#4.


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« Reply #107 on: December 19, 2016, 04:54:26 pm »
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Your moving right along there Homefire. I have never tried any basket coils. Hows that effect the capacitance?

Still no board.... Cry Cry Maybe customs guys are building a bara... Grin

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« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2016, 05:03:02 pm »
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   Yes I did something wrong.  I forgot to skip a slot after first winding.   Fell short of the 317мкГн.  317uH  I think because I used 24AWG not 22.  Must have not cut the slots quite deep enough because 22AWG would not have fit.  I used this Form.   


MudFlap.  Basket coil reduces Cap because the Coils and Wire are separated more then tight together.

Posted on: December 19, 2016, 04:57:20 pm
   You should have Received it by now.  If it was a Address Snafu they will return to sender because it was Registered. 


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NE555's link On the Basket Coil Google Translated.  I tried to post the whole page but HTML links are not supported. 



Basketware sensor detector

Koschey-5I / MI

Among the fans of pulse metal detectors basketware sensors use a well-deserved fame. It is with their help it is possible to obtain a record depth for the detection of small objects the size of a coin. Design features such sensors allow to obtain the depth of the target detection gains of up to 20% over the comparable "normal" sensor.

Let us briefly examine the physical processes in place to achieve this growth. In a conventional sensor coil wire is wound turn to turn. With this sensor has a winding interturn parasitic capacitance of the order of hundreds of pF. This capacity is delaying the transition process, caused by the momentum of self-induction, about 10-30mks. It is in such a range is necessary to expose the signal processing delay (main delay in the foreign terminology) in a pulse metal detector. Basketware probe is wound in a special way that minimizes the inter-track capacity. For this purpose, the windings are spread in the space and are arranged at an angle to each other. The typical capacity of a basket Winding sensor is within tens of pF. When such a container does not exceed the transient microseconds, which allows a device to generate "early" signal processing on the purpose and the result - gain in the sensitivity.

At the time, we have developed a couple of designs basketware sensors for our earlier pulse detectors. In this article, we want to offer another new design, which can be mounted in a universal plastic case , a commercially available.

This body has enough cavity bounded by the sensor coil, so winding method "on a bed of nails" used in our previous developments, here is not very suitable. Here we need to wind a special bearing mandrel made of thin sheet material (0.7-1.5mm). It may be, for example, glass fiber, getinaks or, in extreme cases, even thick cardboard. Plans need to download the plug here , and then print the file on a scale of 1: 1 and pasted on a sheet of plastic. Then, using a jigsaw (Needle, scissors, drills) have to cut the ring with the slots, according to the figure. The width of the grooves of about 2mm.

 

  Then proceed to the winding of the sensor coil. For this we need about 20 meters of enamelled winding wire diameter of 0.63mm. For the convenience of the winding wire is desirable to pre-wound on the shuttle 15-20cm long or short coil of suitable size. When rewinding the wire on the spool or shuttle - it is necessary to make sure that the wire is not twisted, is not subjected to strong bending, did not form a small loop is tightened. Winding principle is shown in the figure below. The wire need to twist around the mandrel by laying it into the slots. The number of slots is chosen so that in five complete turns fills all grooves and wire "comes"   at the starting point of winding layers. In this case, you need to make the transition to the adjacent groove and start to wind the next layer. All you need to wind the coils 30 or 6 layers for 5 turns.

The result is approximately the winding.

Next, assemble the winding inside the sensor housing. Further assembly and connection follows the same procedure as for the conventional sensor. The only difference - for proper recognition Koshcheev-5I / MI a basket sensor connector is necessary to solder resistor 30kOm. In this case the profiles are activated 3.x   which by default are set to basketry and other experimental sensors. For more information about this is written here

After assembly, connect the sensor to the metal detector Koschey-5I or Koschey-5IM and check the operation.

conclusions

The following parameters were obtained in laboratory testing:

Winding Inductance - 317mkGn.

Winding capacity   - 80 pF.

Winding resistance -   1 ohm.

Detection range 5kop USSR coins - 31cm.

Thus, we see that by reducing the interturn capacitance and the correct settings in the metal detector (the possibility of setting - an important feature Koschey-5I / MI) received a very real increase in the depth of the detection target. However, it should be noted that this sensitivity was obtained for the air. In the real ground win a basket of the sensor may not be as significant. Everything will depend on the degree of mineralization in a specific area - for example, in the sandy soil depth is more in black soil - less. The fact that a decrease in processing delay, unfortunately, besides increasing overall sensitivity, and increases sensitivity to soil.

Separately, we want to draw attention to the fact that the struggle for interturn capacity reduction is not justified in each sensor. For example, we sometimes ask - and it would be good to do "deep basket-gauge" size 1h1m or 2h2m J. The answer - it is absolutely unjustified. The point is that when working with a depth sensor device is specially configured to work with large processing delays. This is to reduce the sensitivity to the ground, and small targets. Therefore, there is no sense to fight for the reduction of the duration of the transition process, as the processing delay it significantly exceeds.

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