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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 05:56:02 AM »
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I think a similar cross was found off of Ireland on a ship called the Girona from memory maybe someone might like to google it and confirm that?  my memory is fading these days hehe

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 11:55:10 AM »
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Allen I was unable to find a close match however crosses seemed to be popular definitely. I just did a quick look so cant say there wasnt a close match just I didnt find it. Might be a good starting point to hunt it down, figure out . The bottom link has some pics of artifacts from the Girona. Good hunting.

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The Girona was a large galleass, built in Naples and captained by Fabricio Spinola of Genoa. She was among the remnants of the fleet attempting to get back to Spain, having been forced to skirt the coasts of Scotland and Ireland. On board the galleass were 1,300 men – nearly three times the number she was designed to carry, as she had picked up survivors from two other shipwrecks, including Don Alonso Martinez de Leiva, commander-designate of the fleet. On the morning of 26 October 1588, heavily overladen and battered by ferocious storms off the northern Irish coast, the Girona sank near the Giant's Causeway, with the loss of all but five souls.



A dazzling amount of Renaissance jewellery and coins was recovered from the site, the personal effects of the officers on board and those rescued from the other two ships. These young nobles, from some of the wealthiest families in Spain, would have been carrying some of their personal fortunes in coinage.

Among the treasures found were religious medals and crosses belonging to all ranks, a heavy gold ring bearing the initials 'IHS', undoubtedly worn by one of the Jesuit priests accompanying the fleet, and a beautifully intricate Agnus Dei reliquary in the form of a little golden book with a depiction of St John the Baptist on the cover.

Several crosses of orders of chivalry were also found – a cross of a Knight of Alcantara, a cross of a Knight of St John of Jerusalem and, from a Knight of Santiago de Compostela, a beautiful gold and red enamelled cross that belonged to de Leiva himself.

http://soap.tibus.com/ulster_museum/filestore/documents/world_cultures_factsheets/goldofthegirona.pdf



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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 05:19:44 PM »
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Nice one Idaho and thanks for your time and effort in doing the search you above all deserve compliments for doing it too. Thanks.
As I stated my memory has failed me a little on this subject and it may well of been the Atcocha that Mel Fisher found from memory.
The Fisher story is a rather tragic one for mel not only lost a son but a daughter or daughter in law in a tragic accident one night.
I used to admire Mel Fisher for his determination my old school motto by the way and his undying determination to succed in the face of adversity which he eventully did. I hope this helps you and others and I know I have seen a similar cross before but for the life of me forget where.  The secret is dont grow old as i have done.  If you do share what knowledge you have with others so they might get something out of your experiences. Rememember you cant take your knowledge with you when you go as everyone will, give it to others who might find a use for it. I know when I go others will remember me I wont go down in history hehehe but long after im gone some might read my writings and benfit from it. 

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 05:44:05 PM »
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Alan these old wrecks fascinate me, and the Atcocha was one of the ones I remember most. I've always admired those who do what they love despite the odds, the hardships, and the good advice of others.

It would be interesting to match it up to the goldsmith who created it and know what wreck maybe lies just off that beach.  Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 05:56:17 PM »
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IDAHO who knows what actually happened the night that the Spanish Fleet was lost in that hurricane? No one, in fact we can only conjecture and speculate some of the survivors maybe getting to shore even.  If they did they would be drenched in water, cold exposed to the elements and some suffering from hypothermia too.  Just imagine such a case? is it not possible that under such cercumstances a person would remove their wet clothes and light a fire in order to get some kind of warmth?  Maybe after their clothes were dry that individual forget about his trinket or coulnt find it? So it remained where it was lost for years.
Unfortunately we are unable to see in the past as to what actually happened and its like Archaeologists today who have no idea about history that they conjecture, fabricate in their own minds and come up with the wrong answers the same as i may of done.
But the real history of that cross is an enigma of which we will never know the real truth of how it came to be there. Like many things that people cannot conceive and believe what happened years ago in our history.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 02:37:48 PM »
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Very true Alan, most of modern archaeology is educated speculation. It's the things I don't know though that drive me to look for answers Smiley

What a world that must have been in those days.

http://www.hrd1715.com/1715_Story.html

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 04:52:12 PM »
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Now that`s a great find  Shocked Shocked

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 05:00:04 PM »
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Nice story Idaho thanks for sharing I had read about the 1715 fleet years ago and I think Kip Wagner also appeared in the old Argosy magazines too.  I remember going to the Technical book shop in Russell St, Melbourne in those early days just to see what t/hing mags were available.  I guess I was influenced by Mel Fisher, Kip Wagner my god names slip my memory these days hehehe I guess we were all born dreamers but I wanted to become a do not a dreamer. hehehe

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 05:53:57 AM »
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Hello Allan

Once upon a time the scientific establishment of the day believed the earth was flat. It took a dreamer to prove otherwise.

Much can be learned from the early treasure hunters with their successes and failures. They too were my heroes and villains that inspired me to travel, dream and walk in the footsteps of history.

Hardluck  Grin

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 08:27:46 AM »
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Ur mate is one lucky guy!

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 09:45:48 AM »
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In 1984, I bought my first metal detector.

Was dreaming of such finds.

Nice story !

HH

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 09:14:42 AM »
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If that doesn't get the blood flowin , nothing can. Great for him, and hope for the rest of us. thx

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