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« on: November 08, 2006, 04:03:29 PM »
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I have noticed certain individuals offering "rewards"for "so called"contests which in my opinion is ridiculous. Anybody can make up a protocol that is destined to fail and this CERTAINLY does not mean victory to the individual offering a reward when others refuse his test. Many treasure hunters don't care about these "fixed"tests and are only interested in "actual recoveries". It is well known that there have been hundreds of recoveries using LRLs as well as other exotic devices & locators. Anybody that would even dare argue this fact is calling all of these people making recoveries LIARS.
In my opinion these DB protocols mean NOTHING. What I am looking for is real treasure found using any methods including LRLs-Dowsing-Remote sensing or whatever it takes. People need to get off this " testing"that has been beat into the ground and listen carefully to the folks that are FINDING and forget about all these useless arguments. Get out into the field with your tool of choice and make it happen. There is enough negative in this world and we need to think positive and listen carefully to all the people that are into FINDING. These are my thoughts, hope you don't mind- Ol Mann


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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 04:15:39 PM »
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If they can't find a target under controlled conditions - what makes you think they can find them under other circumstances. After all - the laws of physics are universal.

Steve

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2006, 08:13:45 AM »
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Quote:Posted by theolmann
I have noticed certain individuals offering "rewards"for "so called"contests which in my opinion is ridiculous.


Yes, most people who realize they cannot pass such a simple test, blame the test.

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Anybody can make up a protocol that is destined to fail and this CERTAINLY does not mean victory to the individual offering a reward when others refuse his test.


Maybe you can offer a protocol that is destined to work for YOU. Or, maybe you'll refuse my offer.

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Many treasure hunters don't care about these "fixed"tests and are only interested in "actual recoveries".


The actual recovery for my challenge is $25,000 cash, plus 10 ounces of gold. But, hey, if you don't care...

Quote:Posted by {author}
What I am looking for is real treasure found using any methods including LRLs-Dowsing-Remote sensing or whatever it takes.


$25,000 + 10 oz gold... plus bragging rights  Smiley

- Carl


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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2006, 09:38:51 AM »
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Quote:Posted by theolmann
I have noticed certain individuals offering "rewards"for "so called"contests which in my opinion is ridiculous. Anybody can make up a protocol that is destined to fail and this CERTAINLY does not mean victory to the individual offering a reward when others refuse his test. Many treasure hunters don't care about these "fixed"tests and are only interested in "actual recoveries". It is well known that there have been hundreds of recoveries using LRLs as well as other exotic devices & locators. Anybody that would even dare argue this fact is calling all of these people making recoveries LIARS.
In my opinion these DB protocols mean NOTHING. What I am looking for is real treasure found using any methods including LRLs-Dowsing-Remote sensing or whatever it takes. People need to get off this " testing"that has been beat into the ground and listen carefully to the folks that are FINDING and forget about all these useless arguments. Get out into the field with your tool of choice and make it happen. There is enough negative in this world and we need to think positive and listen carefully to all the people that are into FINDING. These are my thoughts, hope you don't mind- Ol Mann



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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2006, 09:46:31 AM »
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Quote:Posted by Carl-NC
Quote:Posted by theolmann
I have noticed certain individuals offering "rewards"for "so called"contests which in my opinion is ridiculous.


Yes, most people who realize they cannot pass such a simple test, blame the test.

Quote:Posted by {author}
Anybody can make up a protocol that is destined to fail and this CERTAINLY does not mean victory to the individual offering a reward when others refuse his test.


Maybe you can offer a protocol that is destined to work for YOU. Or, maybe you'll refuse my offer.

Quote:Posted by {author}
Many treasure hunters don't care about these "fixed"tests and are only interested in "actual recoveries".


The actual recovery for my challenge is $25,000 cash, plus 10 ounces of gold. But, hey, if you don't care...

Quote:Posted by {author}
What I am looking for is real treasure found using any methods including LRLs-Dowsing-Remote sensing or whatever it takes.


$25,000 + 10 oz gold... plus bragging rights  Smiley

- Carl



Few people will ever going to take up the offer - and no one is  ever going to collect.

Steve

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2006, 10:25:06 AM »
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Well Steve........I figured someone "might"come up with that. The reason is what we call a controlled environment and the laws of physics just don't quite cut what is happening in mother nature. It is my belief that some things simply cannot be tested. We can tear things apart, analyze them, and still there are many things we simply don't understand and simply don't test well. Yet people are finding and making recoveries on a daily basis and so called "science"fails us. Recoveries is what I am interested in. For those that want to test - test -test- I just can't see them EVER finding anything. Also remember that science is changing on a daily basis. Years ago nobody would have ever thought we would be communicating on a basis that we are today. I guess this could be debated forever. For me and many others we would rather be hunting. Good Luck to all LRLers!!!!- Ol mann


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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 04:04:57 PM »
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Hey Ol mann....You got it...This is no sporting match where you keep score. It's about having fun and enjoying what you're doing....Art

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 06:02:46 PM »
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     I agree with the oldman and art3811. Many treasures have been found via use of long range detecting.  The finders are not interested in proving their successes to anyone.  If it weren't for the basic socialness of others they would keep quiet about their treasure hunting techniques entirely.  Why encourage others to compete with you for the goodies?  When something is gone it is gone.
    I also agree with you, Steve, nobody will ever collect Carl's money. Never!

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 06:41:15 PM »
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Quote:Posted by dandequille
The finders are not interested in proving their successes to anyone.


That's fine. But manufacturers of LRLs should be willing to prove their devices.

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I also agree with you, Steve, nobody will ever collect Carl's money. Never!


If LRLs worked, it would be quite easy!

- Carl


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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 10:37:47 PM »
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That's fine. But manufacturers of LRLs should be willing to prove their devices.

Carl, they do every day when the TREASURE FINDERS recover treasure-Ol Mann

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2006, 12:00:46 AM »
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The locators I use  in my treasure searches work according to the physics involved every time I use them. Always has. The difference between my use of LRL's and RSD is that I use them as information gathering tools without  having unrealistic expectations. Carl, you appear to  have a vivid imiganiation, and unrealistic expectations. It's no wonder you understand so little about Real Treasure Hunting.

It's a  common assertion in Science, that you can't prove a negative, yet you keep banging your head against the wall trying.

Dan, and olmann, are absolutely correct that there have been many treasures found around the world with the aid of RSD (MFD). I can attest to that. One customer  from Tanzania, reported his success to the United Nations world assembly on mining.

One country I accepted an invitation to visit, my 2 guides were apprehended from their friends house near the located  site,  by the military and questioned for a day & night "Where is the Gringo who is finding all the gold"?.

They lied their way out, and went back later and recovered the deep buried cache of Gold spanish coins, sent me photo's and asked if I could sell them in the U.S so they wouldn't  get into trouble in their country.

I stopped by Kellyco, one day and sat in the office as they opened the mail that came in. there were 5 letters among them telling the stories, and included photographs of finds made with the LRLs they had purchased. Their  reported finds with LRL,  would make any U.S. Treasure hunter green with envy.

In  years past , a few folks have shown some amazing LRL finds on the internet. I guess It takes a bit of open minded intelligence to realize what's been  under your nose for a long time.

 Carl, it's none of my business, but I don't understand your rationale in disecting an expensive  Mineoro, and telling everyone that it doesn't work, and then spend good money after bad to buy another  expensive Mineoro? You have already shown that if you don't believe that one LRL  works, you don't believe any other brand, or model works either.

What a dilema?  If you now admit that the Mineoro, does work, ( although probably not according to your unrealistic expectations) then you have no choice but to honestly admit you are wrong and  that Dell's MFD, and some others you've slandered, which  use Rods to meter the signal, also work equally well because in truth, they detect the same locations as the Mineoro, and vice versa.

Randi, will also loose credibility, because he has relied on you for technical advice to support his own deception.  I can't wait to see Randi, write a slander report on Mineoro.  Reckon?  

I'm looking forward to your new report on the Mineoro. If it is positive,then I will use it to show that the years of  malicious attacks on my honesty have been false and again seek apology. If your report is negative, then I won't be disappointed, and accept it as  Carl, remaining true to character, and agenda.  Dell

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2006, 07:24:10 AM »
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We will have to continue to agree to disagree. Since there's no reason for them to work- I think intuition , logical deduction or even pure luck plays a huge part of the success which means you could probably find them without any equipment whatsoever. After all - even a blind squirrel can find a nut

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2006, 09:17:13 AM »
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Quote:Posted by Goldfinger
I think intuition , logical deduction or even pure luck plays a huge part of the success...


And a good metal detector. You don't dig a hole unless the metal detector says to dig a hole. Ergo, no LRL failures.

The reasons you cited, plus the use of a metal detector, easily explain the few, sporadic successes LRL users have had. This is why good, objective testing is needed. When intuition is eliminated and luck accounted for, LRLs don't work.

- Carl


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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2006, 09:26:56 AM »
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Quote:Posted by Carl-NC
Quote:Posted by Goldfinger
I think intuition , logical deduction or even pure luck plays a huge part of the success...


And a good metal detector. You don't dig a hole unless the metal detector says to dig a hole. Ergo, no LRL failures.

The reasons you cited, plus the use of a metal detector, easily explain the few, sporadic successes LRL users have had. This is why good, objective testing is needed. When intuition is eliminated and luck
accounted for, LRLs don't work.


- Carl



I couldn't agree more... Smiley Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2006, 09:45:41 AM »
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Subject-Answer for Mr. Carl:
I seriously doubt that any actual treasure hunters or manufactures are ever going to take you serious.
With my own eyes I have seen treasures found with LRLs and other exotic type devices. You probably realize that there are far more people that believe in LRLs than those that don't. It seems from my view that you spend much of your time arguing and dwelling on the negative. This is fine as long as you don't shove it down the throats of those that actually find treasure using these great devices. You are entitled to your opinion, but please respect the rights of the real treasure hunters. While you test, we will be out finding treasure with LRLs !! Best of luck on your testing and you might as well put your $25,000.00 into a long term account because I don't think ANYBODY believes in your type of testing.
Don't mean to insult you, just giving you the facts. Good Hunting !! OlMann         


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