WARNING - Cautionary Note on LRL devices

		Quote:			Posted by yelpoc
	No LRL device has every been shown to work as described by their manufacturer.

Untrue!    Dell

		Quote:			Posted by lockspyder
	I am not a scientist,that's for sure, I do have a class A HAM operator license, I know electronic circuits having built transmitter receiver's to get my license, that does not make me an expert, but I do have enough knowledge to understand electronic devices and their principal of operation. So if you could explain how the device works I would understand its operation and could respond with a complete retraction of my statement after all if its not a fraud ,I owe you an apology. You have done everything but answer my question,what is the scientific proof it works, not theory , you take a theory,build a working model, then patent it,LRL--- I could not find one patent on them, show me your patent number

Positive results = Fact.  Science is based on facts. I have shared with you some of the facts, based on my years of Treasure Hunting experience in the field use of Molecular Frequency Discrimination (MFD) and Harmonic Induction Discrimination (HID). These are not terms I made up, but were applied to these methods by Scientist in 1986 and 1987. Hopefully, these applied terms will give you some insight into  the physics that may be  incorporated in their use.

Again, I am not a Scientist, so any description of my own interpretation, and basic  theory of how these methods actually work would be conjecture, and irrelevant without having a formal degree in physics, or electronics to support my opinion. I will not be dishonest and pretend I know the answers you seek.

I am not the inventor. Therefore, I have no patent.

The first MFD LRL's were fully electronic (No Rods)  I introduced the Rods to the marketed MFD in 1986. Electronics people, including EE's, followed suit, and have copied ever since.

 LRL's utilizing HID, require no electronics. Sometimes electronics are added to provide the operator some control, but are not necessary.

The methods are not Fraud. I have 40 years of field experience as a Professional Treasure Hunter/Salvor in the use of Scientifically accepted, and non-conventional methods to compare results with. When you, and the other detractors here are able to match that experience, then you may have earned the right to question my character.  Until then your inferences of my being untruthful, and committing fraud are apparently spoken from your own ignorance.  Certainly, your  attitude, and approach to learning does not indicate you have done ALL the research on this subject as you indicated you have. 

In my opinion, Fraud is in the mis-leading advertising claims. MFD & HID are viable working concepts in need of further development.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND"    Dell

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Dell Winders, I've got a friend who bought two of your units and as far as I can tell, he'd have been better off wrapping a few wires to a block of wood and bending two coathangers and using that

Your friend must have had some faith in them are would not have bought 2.

 Not sure why having class A HAM operator license, gives you the right to call anyone a fraud

I do not know Dell but have read his post and reports for sometime now. He has always been willing to talk to anyone about his LRL By email or on the phone he has never made any claims that he could not back up.

Does his LRL work I don't know and I don't care but until someone can prove different we have no right calling him are anyone else a fraud conman etc. Proof Gentleman Proof

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		Quote:			Posted by seldom
	Does his LRL work I don't know and I don't care but until someone can prove different we have no right calling him are anyone else a fraud conman etc. Proof Gentleman Proof

Just an observation here...but continuously using fabricated terms, such as Molecular Frequency Discrimination (MFD) and Harmonic Induction Discrimination (HID)...and claiming them scientific is proof enough of fraudulent tendencies. Also noteworthy is you cannot prove something doesn't work....if it has never been proved to work, in the first place.

What would you consider sufficient proof of something NOT being a fraud or con? There is no validation from the scientific or electronic communities that are supporting these claims 

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if you want to FART around with crap go get a couple or brazing rods for about 50 cents each use one end to bend a 90 degree bend about 6" from the end and make it about 18 inches so for the cost of $1 lousy buck you have your own LTL  why pay scavengers and parasites when you can make your own wake up people dont be conned by blood sucking parasites full of Bullshit.
Hey if your really hard up and cant afford  a dollar goto yuor local tip and scounge a couple of clothes hangers and bend them into shape it wont cost a brass razoo and you cut out the crook   hehehe

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		Quote:			Posted by Alan Hassell
	if you want to FART around with crap go get a couple or brazing rods for about 50 cents each use one end to bend a 90 degree bend about 6" from the end and make it about 18 inches so for the cost of $1 lousy buck you have your own LTL  why pay scavengers and parasites when you can make your own wake up people dont be conned by blood sucking parasites full of Bullshit. Hey if your really hard up and cant afford  a dollar goto yuor local tip and scounge a couple of clothes hangers and bend them into shape it wont cost a brass razoo and you cut out the crook   hehehe

Good suggestion. Evidently, Mr. Winders himself believes the garbage he spews. Sad, so very sad to see a con-man in action

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