MINEORO

		Quote:			Posted by dandequille
	Don't you think you are making a pretty big jump being critical of someone you have never met nor ever will meet and then equating your inappropriate thinking to a war?

My comments were strictly based on the "philosophy" you stated, and had nothing to do with the person behind it.

To paraphrase what you said, "One should not criticize something unless they can make it better." That is what you said, is it not?

So, I gave a couple of examples that show why that "philosphy" is assinine.

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	I think you better stick to tearing machines apart and writing why you don't think they will work even when you haven't explained how one should operate.

Your philospohy in action. I should not criticize an obvious scam unless I can replace it with something legitimate. That's why I mentioned the email scams... you are saying that I have no basis for criticizing them unless I can propose legitimate financial schemes that do not rip people off. That's why I mentioned politics... you are saying that I have no basis for criticizing politicians unless I can propose more effective foreign policy.

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	I'm in no big hurry to take your prize money.  I must admit I have been thinking about what charities I could donate the money to and have a few ideas.

I think those alibis have already been used. "Yeah, Carl, just wait.... one of these days I'm gonna take your money! One of these days.... one of these days... you just wait... wait..."

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	Is your test a one time offer or could I win it several times for the same amount of cash each time?

One-time.

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	I would still like to take your test in Marshalltown.  There is a big park there and you could have a big area to hide your gold bar or whatever it is.  I'm sure The Watcher would be observing  every tiny detail to make sure I didn't cheat like some people are prone to do.  Not to worry, I have every confidence that honesty is the best policy and I would never resort to taking something I didn't earn fairly.

You pay my air fare, I'll meet you there.

- Carl


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		Quote:			Posted by hung
	Dell, In this Treasure Hunting world of competition with no ethics, money eager people, etc., you are really an honored man and one of those who stand above the crowd. Don't let negative critics affect you when you know you are an honest man.

Thank you for your kindness. You are always a gentleman. My respect for you is mutual.  Dell

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I hope you don't mind my  butting in and mentioning Mineoro, again.? 

Unfortunately, most all of us in our ignorance, have niavely purchased products at  rip-off prices that doesn't live up to our  own expectations. It's  such a common daily occurence in our society today that no single person without power & influence (Money) is going to make any difference whatsoever in changing it. I can certainly see Carl's frustration of engaging in an excercise in futility, while seeking recognition  from his peers. A noble effort, but unfortunately for Carl, it's turned into a mis-guided ambition.

I know I have purchased products at rip-off prices many, many times,  still do, and will probaly continue to do so. If for nothing else but a curiosity to learn for my self if it really works the way it is advertised. I'm not trying to justify  rip-off prices,  It just happens to be  a fact of life in a large society.

Regardless of what is inside the product, the question is, did the customer go into the transaction with eyes wide open. Did the seller decieve them with unrealistic promises of  wealth when they use the product? Is there a warranty? Does the manufacturer stand behind the warranty?  Is he reputable? Does he offer support?

 But again, regardless of  the componnents, or the cost of the componnents, (Who Cares?) the most important factor is, DOES IT WORK?  Carl, does the "Raven" work? What, and how was your field testing conducted. What were the operating conditions?

If it doesn't work, did the customer ask for a refund? Were they refused? Does the customer  have any recourse?

These are all factors that determine if the purchaser was deceived into making the purchase.

Mineoro, is made in Brazil. Ed Merill, a Mineoro customer, in my opinion, took an extreme risk of a lot of money buying an unknown product from another country with no  possible recourse. He waited over a month for it to arrive because he wanted it upgraded to the top of the line.  Sometimes his E-mails weren't answered which added to his apprehension. 

He eventually received the  Mineoro, and it did work, but it did not live up to the unrealistic expectations he had in mind, or work exactly as advertised. He had a warranty, but that is only as good as the integrity of the manufacturer to honor it.

Ed, had a seriousl heart problem and was rushed  to the hospital to have expensive quadruple by pass surgery. He survived, but faces a long recuperation and monumental hospital bills. He tried to sell his Mineoro, for less than half the price he  had paid for it a few months earlier.  Circumstances were against him. Mineoro was coming out with their latest  model so there was little interest in the previous model, and Carl, was publicly saying Mineoro didn't work with strong inferences the Mineoro, was a scam. This hurt Ed's chances of recuping any of his money.

But Mineoro,  did honor their warranty, demonstrated their integrity,  and shipped Ed the latest, top of the line model which I witnessed it working in a field trial and reported  last week.

Regretably, Ed won't have any need for his  Mineoro, for at a year, or more  while he is recuperating, and he still needs the money.  But at least, thanks to Hung, and Mineoro, he has a better chance of getting the money he needs from the newest  model, than the previous model which Carl, and friends have disected and  scam bashed to death on Geotech forums.

Although believing you have been ripped-off, or scammed is never a pleasant feeling, I am an adult and accept responsiblity for my participation in being ripped off, and use it as a learning experience. It appears that when skeptics, think someone is  ripped off, they become bitter and take revenge  out on the  entire industry.

In my view, I  felt I was getting ripped off when I was paying an EE $40 an hour to build my products.  Thanks to someone on Geotech, I was informed that a good EE get's paid much higher than that, so according to EE pay scale, it looks like me, and my customers were getting a bargain and didn't know it.  For some reason, Carl, conveniently forgets to add the costs of labor, overhead, and dealer percentage in his reports about LRL products.  Why is that?   Dell



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		Quote:			Posted by dandequille
	Carl, please stop trying to spin my words to justify your own behavior.

There is no need for me to spin your words, when you readily admit to supporting people who make and sell nonsense:

"I for one always appreciate your contributions, Dell, and hope you continue."
"I made one little comment to give Dell some support..."

		Quote:			Posted by {author}
	You are even quoting me on things I didn't write.

"She said she never was critical of something unless she could make it better even if she didn't like the original work.  I try to live by this idea..."

You didn't write this?

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	When you cheated at our friendly LRL gathering in the desert for a lousy silver dollar I should have suspected something was amiss.

     
There was no cheating. I dowsed the target, fair and square. You just didn't like my dowsing technique, even though it's one of the exact same techniques most dowsers use, but deny using it.

I believe you once mentioned you are an ordained minister... so what religion advocates looking the other way, pretending you don't know what's going on, and supporting people who cheat other folks?

- Carl


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		Quote:			Posted by dandequille
	When you cheated at our friendly LRL gathering in the desert for a lousy silver dollar I should have suspected something was amiss.

Is it possible to write for me details? I'm uninformed about that. what had happened? what was that gathering?
it will be appreciated.

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