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« on: January 10, 2009, 12:39:34 pm »
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Hello,

I find this challenge:

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Can anybody recommend a device for winning this challenge? Has anyone of you tried yet?

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 09:46:25 am »
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Bonjour!

I wonder if anybody using LRL has tried yet? Mr. Dell Winders do you think your device will help pass this test?

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 03:01:52 pm »
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It is too bad that there are still people believing in L (Long ) R ( Range ) L ( locators ) . Even with a little of technical ( electronics ) knowledge you should know it is impossible . But of course as a scamming tool it is very valuable . If you are not up to the facts you may want to invest in  a ,, unit ,, like this . The last variation I read about ( I cannot find the post back on the forum so it may have been deleted  ) was a kind of magnetometer that could detect wrecks  miles and miles out in the ocean . It was still being tested  No no! . Now what the scammers are up to is the following . They are willing to show you how it works but you have to pay the operations cost to set up this test . Or the next best thing is , to never mention a price when discussing the wonderful unit they have . They make you so eager to get a hold of a unit like they discussed that you offer them money out of your free wil . These people should be found out and banned from ever posting on any forum .   Cornelius

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 06:39:41 pm »
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A working LRL would be something "paranormal", so a sucessful demonstration
might qualify for the 1 Million Dollar Challenge of the Randi Foundation.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 08:49:02 pm »
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I wonder if anybody using LRL has tried yet? Mr. Dell Winders do you think your device will help pass this test?

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No, I can not pass the Randi,test. I was tested by Randi, personally, and failed.  Dell

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It is too bad that there are still people believing in L (Long ) R ( Range ) L ( locators ) . Even with a little of technical ( electronics ) knowledge you should know it is impossible . But of course as a scamming tool it is very valuable . If you are not up to the facts you may want to invest in  a ,, unit ,, like this . The last variation I read about ( I cannot find the post back on the forum so it may have been deleted  ) was a kind of magnetometer that could detect wrecks  miles and miles out in the ocean . It was still being tested   . Now what the scammers are up to is the following . They are willing to show you how it works but you have to pay the operations cost to set up this test . Or the next best thing is , to never mention a price when discussing the wonderful unit they have . They make you so eager to get a hold of a unit like they discussed that you offer them money out of your free wil . These people should be found out and banned from ever posting on any forum .   Cornelius


Cornelius, Here is my website.

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Your complaint is against customers who have enjoyed  success with my products, not me.  I do not lie, and I do not Scam. I will place my honesty and integrity against yours any day. You are a moderator here, so I reckon it is  up to you to practice what you preach and ban me, or say it is not true, and apologize.

With kindest respect,   Dell



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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 02:20:03 am »
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Hello Dell,

can you please tell us what is been problem with the Randy challenge? Why you not pass?

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 03:40:31 am »
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Dell what I say is not against you but nevertheless it is tru  . I am not disturbed by anything you write . I am not banning anybody because I think you have the right to write anything you want . I don't have to agree with it though !  And as far as scamming goes , do you realy believe  these guys don't know what they try to sell ? If your product is working , help out the man that wants to get the $25.000 , or take up Carl Moreland on his challenge.   I still like you but don't get too personal though . There is no use for that. Regards  Cornelius

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 06:52:21 am »
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I would not put to much stock in the challenges. I viewed a TV show where they had that Randi guy on with folks who experiment with micro-doses. The tests were by independent labs. After a show of debating the micro-dose effect, the results of the tests were shown and confirmed that micro-dose theory may be valid. After looking quite stunned Randi said the test must have been contaminated or made invalid somehow. The hosts winged it and said more studies and tests needed to be done. The challengers did not get their big check even though by the standards of the test they had won. They were not even shown on camera again. All challenges need to be examined in their own right and in most cases an independent expert would have to determine the validity of the test. Also, have a third independent entity hold the cash money for disbursement by independent judges. Smiley

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 01:20:46 pm »
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Hello Dell,

can you please tell us what is been problem with the Randy challenge? Why you not pass?

Thank you,

Alain


Alain, I did not take the Randi, challenge, or at least knowingly.  I was invited under false pretense to do a MFD demonstration for a TV documentary.  When I arrived, Randi was introduced as the host, and I was requested to take a test, in preference of a demonstration. I did, and I honestly explained the limitations of MFD before testing.

After the testing was over they asked me if I wanted to know the results?  Of the 8 tests that were conducted, they said that the MFD was correct on 6 of them. Randi,further stated , more tests would need  to be conducted before any conclusions could be reached. 

Later, Randi, publicly denied that any such tests ever took place, at any time, any place on this earth, and that I was a liar, a crook, and a Scammer, for claiming the test did take place.

19 years after the fact, Randi, had a sudden memory recall, and with the aid of Carl Morland, published an imaginative ficticous account of the event in his newsletter, and an international Skeptic magazine.

In my view, the Randi, million dollar Challenge, is a long running publicity gimmick that has been extremely successful for Mr.Randi. Carl's, $25,000 Challenge is a copy cat with the same purpose in mind, to promote Carl, and gain favor among the Skeptic organization.

One only has to examine the Randi, archives to see that no one has passed the preliminary tests to even qualify to take the challenge.

Maybe, some of you might believe you can win these Challenges, but let me make it very clear, You cannot win these so called challenges using my humble home made products. You would have to be extremely, extremely lucky.

These tests are designed as a Scientific pretense to prove that the use of Frequency Discrimination, or LRL, is no better than 50/50 chance guessing. Maybe the folks who dream up these tests and accuse me of being a scammer because my products won't  pass their test do indeed find big Treasure in every other hole they dig. Good for them.

I would be happy to abandon my use of these tools if I could guess the location of major  buried, or Shipwreck Treasure with a 50% accuracy. I can't guess a Treasure location with even a 1% accuracy, and neither could the folks buying my products find buried Treasure by Guessing the location. If that is a reason to criticize us, then the mentality, or agenda of the critics,is questionable. I've asked the critics show us a better way to search for deep buried Treasures? But they can't. They just continue to complain about others successes.

Whether folks choose to use unconventional tools to search for treasure, or conventional tools, that is a personal  choice, and I do not undermine the intelligence of folks because of their choice of Treasure Hunting tools.  Just because I use them, does not obligate anyone else to do so.   Dell




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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 04:48:26 pm »
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Reliability of Statistics:

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Reliability of Coin Tosses and Random Number Generators

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http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040228/mathtrek.asp


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http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v33/i1/p576_1


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Critical Thinking :

 

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PLEASE READ THE COMPLETE ARTICLE.....as most represent both sides to the issue.
I'm asking you to summerize what the artilces you posted actually mean in your own words. Here's a good link:

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This has only a small fraction of the types of designs that are out there.

Couple more:

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Please note the reference to Randi on page 359.....

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Please note the reference to Randi listed on pages 59 and 60.....

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Entire article very interesting....note the very last sentence in particular....

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DO YOUR RESEARCH GUYS.....

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...AND...for the Amazing Meeting......

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...AND...last, but not least....my own favorite link....

1,000,000 Challenge...So What? :

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