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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 09:21:57 pm »
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I find these old rim fired casings every so often.  Most of them have two 180 degree firing pin indentations with a H in the center of the two firing pin marks.  I have always assumed these were from old lever action Henry rifles. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 01:30:37 pm »
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That would certainly be the right size but did they ever make a rimfire in that caliber?

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 09:02:23 am »
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There were two eary rifles that had dual firing pins.  The first one that comes to mind is the Sharps .44 rimfire of 1860s.  The second, I just can't recall right now.  Some few of the Union troops used the weapon in the Civil War with great success against the Confederate muzzle loaders.  The round eventually evolved to the .44-40 center fire I believe?

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2010, 03:05:59 pm »
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'Morning all,

re the double firing pin strikes, until recently I owned an old Stirling .22 (rimfire obviously) which failed to fire occasionally, due to spring weakness in the bolt.  The indentation on the cartridge usually showed up as too shallow to set off the primer.  It would make sense that at some time in the distant past a double striker would make sense and help to ensure detonation.

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2010, 11:54:55 am »
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It looks like the case, what is left of it has a taper like it was necked down to a smaller caliber if part of it wasn't missing.  The original .44-40 was a rimfire as well as the .38-40.  Are you measuring the width of the case at it's widest point, near the rim?  If so, .50  wouldn't necessarily be too wide as it is the part that fits in the chamber rather than the bore.  The early Henry rifles had two firing pins. Just something to consider.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2011, 01:08:10 am »
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early black powders like 45-70,58"started as rimfire and evolved to center fire.gimp55

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2011, 10:06:23 pm »
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It looks like an early Sharps round to me.  The first ones had dual firing pins.  The priming compound was corrosive and not as reliable as the modern rimfire cartridges.  I think it's probably a 44 caliber as I have never seen a 45 caliber rimfire.  Henry also made somearly rimfire carbines in .44 caliber.  Onus

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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2011, 06:56:38 am »
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is it like a disk

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2012, 10:16:36 am »
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The largest nail gun blank you can buy is .32 caliber rimfire and this is larger than that. I don't believe anyone ever made one bigger than .32 cal (even Hilti) but I could be wrong.

Being a retired Postal Worker I have been into guns for decades Wink
I kinda suspect it is a casing from a Henry rifle....these were .44 rimfire, but the Henry had double firing pins that made linear marks, not round ones like yours. There were also some .44 rimfire pistols but they didn't use two firing pins. The 1866 Winchester also used the .44 rimfire cartridge but I am not sure if it used two firing pins or if they were round...but it's a good bet and a place to start.. The Spencer rifle was also a rimfire, but I can't recall caliber. Several old carbines during the civil war were rimfire and either adopted or not, they hung around and were used for decades by individuals for hunting deer and such.

Modern .22 rifles (rimfire) use a firing pin that makes a long skinny mark on the rim. With a rimfire, the priming material is in the rim (hollow) instead of a centerfire primer. These cannot be reloaded so many of the prototypes were not adopted.
Also, the rims had a tendency to be thicker/thinner (less consistent) than material used for a centerfire primer, therefore, misfires were common. A weak spring could also contribute to misfires, again something you's find in an older gun.

When the cartridge didn't go bang, you pull the cartridge out, turn it 180 degrees and try again....jsut like .22 ammo nowadays.And some like the Henry and 1866 winchester(?) had two firing pins to lower the msfire rate....

My best guess is a .44 caliber 1866 Winchester rifle....the diameter and the length are about right.

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Measure the diameter behu\ind the rim with a dial caliper and it'll be .440 or a bit larger, I'd guess. I think the casing on a Henry is about /4" long too....it just looks like what you have pictured.

Where did you dig this up?

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2012, 02:17:20 pm »
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From all appearances, what you have is a casing for the .44 Henry.  The first repeating rifle built by, and the predecessor to, Winchester repeating arms. Benjamin Tyler Henry was a designer at Winchester, and the company put his name on it to "see how well it did".  this was in 1860.  The Civil War came up, and though the US Government did not purchase Henry rifles, thousands were sold to individual soldiers and units who collected money to equip themselves with "that damn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week".  The Henry held 16 shots.  Winchester introduced the "improved Henry", but named it the "Model 1866", and was still in .44 Henry (rimfire) caliber.  There was never a center-fire version of the Henry cartridge, the closest thing to it was probably .44 Colt. 

Winchester did not manufacture a center-fire rifle until 1873, which was made in .44-40 and .38-40.

To honor the memory of Benjamin Henry, Winchester ammunition still marks all rimfire ammunition with an "H" in the base.  ("U" stands for "Union Metallic Cartridge", now known as Remington)

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